Maria Gordon(chair), Chris Young, Debbie Keenan, Davis Robertson, Lauren Oxley (Clr), Elaine McNally, Ann Higney, Dorothy Gordon, Carolyn Hutchison.
Isobel Plunkett, Tom Morrison, Rhona Young, Gordon King, James McElhill.
Notes from last meeting proposed by Debbie Keenan and seconded by Dorothy Gordon
Community Soup Event -£500 to the winner (which could be split)3 minutes
to pitch idea.
Proposed date late January early February 2024.
Proposed venues - Gavinburn Primary, Dalmuir Barclay, Bowling Green.
proposed groups - Scouts, Girl Guides, Boys Brigade, Masonic Lodge, Parents Council, AOK, Parent and Toddlers, Donna Smith Dancing, individuals. 7-8 groups required to make it worthwhile.
Chris Young will contact the venues and groups.If anyone can think of anyone else please let Chris know.
Locality plan - can we be updated on where we are with this.
Davis is standing down as church rep after many years and will be greatly missed.
Christmas do! -bring nibbles/drinks.
Concern raised re electric bikes/lock ups.
Elaine - £833.02
Panto 14th,15th and 16th December in Scout hall (not sure of times)
carol Concert Clydebank Health Centre 7th December 12-2pm
Tuesday 12th December 2023 in Church Hall 7.30pm
Issy, Debbie, Maria, Dorothy, Elaine, Jim
Carolyn, Rena, Tom Gordon, Lauren, Chris
Issy welcomed Dorothy Gordon who has shown an interest in joining the Community Council.
No police report at this meeting as no attendance from the Police.
Lauren had drawn up a report and sent to Issy on this matter. The police are still looking for further information on this matter. Any information that is available should be passed to Police Scotland.
Meeting Closed at 20.50pm.
Date of next meeting – Tuesday 10th October 2023
Old Kilpatrick Church Hall.
Isobel Plunkett (Chair), Rena McKenzie, Maria Gordon, Chris Young, Debbie Keenan, Davis Robertson, Jana Moracova, Lauren Oxley(Clr), Daniel Lennie (Clr), Gordon King, Rhona Young, Elaine McNally, Tom Morrison, Ann Higney, Carolyn Hutchison.
No apologies
Ann Higney attended the Community Council and is part of the Community group for the Napier Hall.
OKFP were the preferred option. Isobel Plunkett, Rhona Young, Florence Boyle and Anne Higney attended the IRED meeting and the Community Council were not recognised as instigators of the community meetings.
Letter sent to Angela Wilson on 3/7/23 - lack of communication and implication negated role offensive.
17/6/23 asset organiser contacted and still waiting on a reply.
There were 3 public meetings and a subgroup was formed.
OKFP were originally a subgroup of the Community Council and were chosen on the evening of the community groups inauguration.The timeline of the bid was March 2024 and this has been rushed and other bid accepted.
This has divided the community and undermined the community council.
Councillor McBride and Ms Wilson were invited to the community council meeting but did not attend as they feel it had been discussed at the IRED meeting.No debate with the community and no appeal process.
No transparency by WDC despite the council attending the public meetings and appearing to support the groups.Seems to have been a u-turn with no sharing of the reason for the decision.No details of the option from OKFP available to the community and other groups.
As of 1/8/23 all bookings were to go OKFP but on trying to book groups were directed to the Leisure Trust as OKFP were not aware of this.No clarity of communication regarding policies and procedures.Lease is still not signed.
Groups unable to book due to the unsafe condition of the roof.
Offensive comments made on social media,conflicting stories circulating in the community.Groups who have used these facilities for over 30 years are now looking at other premises.
The community council are waiting on a reply from the Chief Executive of WDC and are taking this to the Ombudsman.
Rhona Young complained about the quality of sound at the IRED meeting and the second session was crystal clear.
Anne Higney - OKFP had a lease with a caveat that if anything didn’t come through the lease would be withdrawn.
Lauren Oxley - said there were quotes from WDC and independent quotes. She will get clarification on what will happen if the lease is withdrawn.
Daniel Lennie asked if there were any conditions.
Anne Higney - could this be bought outwith the community and possibilities of why not leased.
Isobel Plunkett - had heard that WDC repair quote was very low.
Daniel Lennie - WDC estimation was lower than an independent estimate and if it was the higher quote a safety license would be required.
Isobel Plunkett said that WDC were morally,ethically and financially duty bound to repair that hall. WDC leisure trust failed the community over decades with money going in from hiring out the hall.Recalling the steps that had to be taken to get the curtains repaired and health and safety compliant.
Debbie Keenan - Mummers can’t get access due to the safety of the roof.
Isobel Plunkett - Interesting to compare the Napier Hall and Hub bills.
Anne Higney - An audit should be carried out regarding how dangerous it is and also an asset check.
Lauren Oxley - IRED meeting next Wednesday and the minutes will be discussed/approved regarding the Napier Hall.
Anne Higney - asset transfer muted as WDC didn’t pay out.
Maria Gordon - trust is required.
Lauren Oxley -changes in WDC currently.Angela Wilson splitting role between chief officers and there has been no secretary for 6 weeks and a lot of misinformation due to this.Amanda Graham is responsible.
Community Council happy to take this to the Ombudsman and an action group has been formed - Isobel Plunkett,Maria Gordon,Anne Higney and Donna Smith(chair of the Napier Hall community group)
People happy to use Church Hall for meetings £15 per hour although not ideal long-term as disabled access is problematic.
Lauren Oxley - will ask for a health and safety risk assessment regarding getting a yellow salt bin to help on the ramps.
Old Kilpatrick church to be put on the agenda,its B-listed, pre 600 and Trusts and Grants may be available to secure its future.
Chapel will also be closing.
Very interesting area so should be more enthusiastic towards tourism.
A public toilet would help.the council lease 2 toilets in Dumbarton and Lauren Oxley will look into this for Old Kilpatrick.
Gordon King - asked re pavilion in high park.Janet Cameron has said it would be as soon as??a play park and outside gym were also suggested.
Lauren Oxley will ask regarding the benches in the village - at the shops and the Napier Hall (the one at the Christmas tree has been repaired)
Rhona Young - can someone look into the lack of weed-killing and repair on the streets. Mansefield hasn’t been resurfaced since 1964 and why could it not have been done when the roads were being resurfaced.
Deer killers back in ecology park 1.48am - question for police as well as a non reg dirt bike being driven erratically by a person in a balaclava.
Isobel will let the police know of the change in venue.
2 items for next time
-chapter for locality plan
What could be asked of the Malin Group when they start.
12th September 2023 Old Kilpatrick Church Hall 7.30pm
Isobel Plunkett (Chair), Rena McKenzie,Maria Gordon, Chris Young, Debbie Keenan, Davis Robertson, Jana Moracova, Lauren Oxley(Clr), Tom Morrison, Carolyn Hutchison.
Gordon King, Rhona Young, Daniel Lennie(Clr), Jim McElhill (Clr).
Approved by Jana Maracova and Lauren Oxley.
Rena McKenzie let us know about the Dementia Safeguarding Tag which is available in WDC for further information go to alzscot.org
Davis Robertson updated us on the church which has a stay of execution until the end of 2026.
Lauren Oxley reported that Michelle Lynn was unable to attend the meeting but that the pavilion in the high parks date was August 2023.
Issy commented that the money for the Pavillion was still tagged and that there may be scope to redesign it.Multi use use not just for changing and discussed with reconfiguration team with ideas of an outdoor gym.
Maria Gordon had written to the council regarding the empty house on Dumbarton Road,highlighting the safety issues and the question was not answered in the response.
Tom Burke who stays in Erskine got in touch with the community council regarding an incident on the Erskine bridge regarding trail bikes with riders having no helmets.Police not at this meeting to ask.
Contact from Kevin Waters the principal project manager for the Malin group for the Marine Technology park is happy to come along to a community council meeting to discuss progress.
Treasurers Report - Elaine McNally has applied for the grant.
Chatty Cafe now in situ at Scout Square - Men’s shed are going to make raised beds and a seating area is planned with gates.
First public meeting for the Napier Hall was well attended around 120 people.Community Council will act as support until a group for the Napier Hall is established.A building condition report has been requested and council representatives and councillors will be in attendance at the next public meeting at 19th April 2023 at 7pm.
Locality plan still ongoing,areas/topics allocated to community council members and ideas will be collated Chris Young will look at a format for this.
7th June 2023 is the Community Council Forum Meeting which will take place in either the Napier Hall or OKFP.
9th May 2023 Napier Hall 7.30pm.
Isobel, Debbie, Jana, Gordon, Rena, Chris Young, Maria, Davis, Jim, Tom
Carolyn, Rhona
Apologies from the Police as they could not attend.
Tuesday 11th April @7.30pm - Napier Hall.
Meeting closed – 20.52pm.
Isobel Plunkett (Chair), Rena McKenzie, Maria Gordon, Chris Young, Jim McElhill, June McKay, John Pryde (police officer) Carolyn Hutchison.
Gordon King, Rhona Young, Daniel Lennie, Jana Moracova, Debbie Keenan, Lauren Oxley.
Jim McElhill raised concern re.issue highlighted by Graeme Anderson around data protection issues and also that this was the first time he had heard of it despite holding regular surgeries in the village.
This issue has been going on for 3.5 years and community council were concerned re.council communication and lack of action. Questions raised - why a single person was housed in a family home which is now unoccupied and is living in another property both of these being paid for by the council. Lack of response from emergency phone number,leading to call out of fire brigade who have highlighted that there is a risk of fire.
Letter sent to Chief Executive Peter Hasset and no response received,the secretary to the housing convener will contact all departments involved and then reply, Peter Barry, Martin Docherty and Marie McNair have all responded.
Jim McElhill will look into this and contact Martin Docherty and Marie McNair. Request that all 4 councillors receive a copy of this letter and any other issues but only 1 councillor deals with it.
Councillors have 10 working days to reply to correspondence but the most annoying thing for the community council, who are all volunteers, is lack of acknowledgement.
John Pryde
7 recorded crimes:
Concern raised regarding speed of traffic on Station Road and through the village. Especially as a 40mph speed limit where new flats are.
Questions re.parking when new legislation is in force.
Youth issues quiet as tends to be seasonal.
Rena McKenzie raised issues in the village.
Minutes – meeting held 10.01.2023 @ Napier Hall, Old Kilpatrick.
Present: Isobel, Debbie, Jana, Gordon, Rena, Chris Young, Maria
Apologies: Carolyn, Rhona
Approval of previous minutes: The minutes of the previous minutes were not available for approval due to a mix up and they had not been circulated to the wider group.
Scott Hardy and Kayleigh Hughes in attached from Scottish Police Force
(The above all exclude fixed penalty notices issued in respect of anti-social behaviour, non endorsable and endorsable offences (road traffic))
Graeme Anderson attended the meeting with the hope of speaking directly to the councillor’s from WDC. Unfortunately, there was no representation from WDC at the meeting with no apologies submitted for non-attendance. Mr Anderson resides at 125 Dumbarton Road and has been having issues with the tenant in adjoining property, which is owned by WDC, for approx. 3.5 years. Mr Anderson gave the group a very thorough and detailed account of the past 3.5 years. WDC have not been responding to Mr Anderson or his partner Debbie Keenan despite constant requests for things to be addressed. The lack of communication from WDC has become unacceptable. The below are the main points that have not been addressed.
Date of next meeting – Tuesday 14th February 2023, Napier Hall @ 7.30pm
Meeting Closed @ 20.51pm